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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.zeusjones.com/blog/2008/message-v-subject-execution-v-idea/#comment-552</link>
		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post..</description>
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		<title>By: Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.zeusjones.com/blog/2008/message-v-subject-execution-v-idea/#comment-2663</link>
		<dc:creator>Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post..</description>
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		<title>By: shower in the dark</title>
		<link>http://www.zeusjones.com/blog/2008/message-v-subject-execution-v-idea/#comment-551</link>
		<dc:creator>shower in the dark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;the (refreshingly shifting) role of the smagency...&lt;/strong&gt;

2009-03-11 17:12...</description>
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<p>2009-03-11 17:12&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: From The Head Of Zeus Jones &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Culture, the last advantage of the company?</title>
		<link>http://www.zeusjones.com/blog/2008/message-v-subject-execution-v-idea/#comment-550</link>
		<dc:creator>From The Head Of Zeus Jones &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Culture, the last advantage of the company?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this is yet another assault on the traditional agency role as &#8220;steward of the brand.&#8221; I think the evidence is mounting that drastic rethinking of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] this is yet another assault on the traditional agency role as &#8220;steward of the brand.&#8221; I think the evidence is mounting that drastic rethinking of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Judge</title>
		<link>http://www.zeusjones.com/blog/2008/message-v-subject-execution-v-idea/#comment-549</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry Judge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 01:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do feel very strongly that people who work for companies have to participate as themselves in social media. Social means people interacting with people. You can&#039;t outsource that. I am really clear on how we should be participating. I am not sure how Agencies participate for Clients. So Chris Wiggins is right when he said I misunderstood his question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do feel very strongly that people who work for companies have to participate as themselves in social media. Social means people interacting with people. You can&#8217;t outsource that. I am really clear on how we should be participating. I am not sure how Agencies participate for Clients. So Chris Wiggins is right when he said I misunderstood his question.</p>
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		<title>By: adrian</title>
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		<dc:creator>adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Chris thanks, Christian told me it was you but I didn&#039;t want to blow your cover ;D

I agree, agencies are capable of change, and I know there&#039;s a bunch that are trying to sort through this. But for every one of those, there are a dozen others - many of them digital agencies who still start with a communications brief - who still turn things over to a &quot;copywriter&quot; who still, for all their talk of progress, work in the same way they have for decades.

Individual agencies will survive because there are smart people who can and want to do the right thing in them. I really think it&#039;s an industry problem - why has advertising become a dirty word that no one wants to be associated with. Why did AKQA start their presentation with we&#039;re not an agency.

I&#039;m not on a high horse here, obviously we&#039;ve (ZJ) done the exact same but that tells you there&#039;s something rotten.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chris thanks, Christian told me it was you but I didn&#8217;t want to blow your cover ;D</p>
<p>I agree, agencies are capable of change, and I know there&#8217;s a bunch that are trying to sort through this. But for every one of those, there are a dozen others &#8211; many of them digital agencies who still start with a communications brief &#8211; who still turn things over to a &#8220;copywriter&#8221; who still, for all their talk of progress, work in the same way they have for decades.</p>
<p>Individual agencies will survive because there are smart people who can and want to do the right thing in them. I really think it&#8217;s an industry problem &#8211; why has advertising become a dirty word that no one wants to be associated with. Why did AKQA start their presentation with we&#8217;re not an agency.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not on a high horse here, obviously we&#8217;ve (ZJ) done the exact same but that tells you there&#8217;s something rotten.</p>
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		<title>By: agencies and social media - Alfred Malmros</title>
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		<dc:creator>agencies and social media - Alfred Malmros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] best blog on the internet, From The Head Of Zeus Jones, writes about a growing occurrence in ad land. That traditional agencies have nothing to benefit [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Steve Poppe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Poppe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 20:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Refreshing thinking. I completely agree. Agents should get out of the way. The problem is that companies oftne don&#039;t like to listen to what their comsumers say. Too busy. So they&#039;ll put someone junior on it and insights will be missed. Andy Grove used to listen to the customer hotline recordings first thing every morning. Before coffee. Before reading the paper. Peace!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Refreshing thinking. I completely agree. Agents should get out of the way. The problem is that companies oftne don&#8217;t like to listen to what their comsumers say. Too busy. So they&#8217;ll put someone junior on it and insights will be missed. Andy Grove used to listen to the customer hotline recordings first thing every morning. Before coffee. Before reading the paper. Peace!</p>
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		<title>By: O.S</title>
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		<dc:creator>O.S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 19:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I&#039;ve had this conversation with my boss. After having talked clients out of (or strongly suggesting) staying out of social media for the reason you mention. Obviously NOT being prepared to talk with consumers, spending time and resources. It&#039;s still that old &quot;campaign&quot; mentality that prevails. It doesn&#039;t hit home with management but I still think it&#039;s the way to go. If clients don&#039;t really want to connect on daily basis, doing it themselves in a genuine manner - then don&#039;t do it, just becase everybody else is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I&#8217;ve had this conversation with my boss. After having talked clients out of (or strongly suggesting) staying out of social media for the reason you mention. Obviously NOT being prepared to talk with consumers, spending time and resources. It&#8217;s still that old &#8220;campaign&#8221; mentality that prevails. It doesn&#8217;t hit home with management but I still think it&#8217;s the way to go. If clients don&#8217;t really want to connect on daily basis, doing it themselves in a genuine manner &#8211; then don&#8217;t do it, just becase everybody else is.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Wiggins</title>
		<link>http://www.zeusjones.com/blog/2008/message-v-subject-execution-v-idea/#comment-544</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Wiggins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 19:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post Adrian.

I couldn&#039;t agree more with your point that marketers have (or at least should have) a minor role at best in their client&#039;s use of social media. It&#039;s gotta be real. And there&#039;s definitely not a business model in merely giving clients tips or showing them how they should use it. This will only become more true as corporations start &#039;getting it&#039; on a wider scale. I agree with you that that&#039;s inevitable.

I was at the AAAA summit too and it was in fact my question to Barry Judge that illustrated the irony in the content of his presentation given to whom he was giving it. I asked what role , if any, he saw for his ad agency in helping Best Buy sculpt and execute their various social media experiments. I think he misunderstood me to be asking if he&#039;s interested in the &#039;puppet-master&#039; scenario as you put it. Obviously he&#039;s not, I already knew that, and good for him. But even though he misunderstood me, it was very clear that he feels his brand is perfectly capable of doing everything it wants to do using social media without any agency&#039;s help. I bet he&#039;s right. And I bet more companies will be in that position soon.

I also agree with your point that in spite of this, there are great opportunities, and that restricting focus to communications will hamstring an agency. It prevents them from taking advantage of emerging opportunities.

But can&#039;t quite come with you on the jump from this to your condemnation of the future of advertising agencies.  It&#039;s because I don&#039;t agree that &#039;advertising industry&#039; = &#039;communications industry.&#039; At least it doesn&#039;t have to, even if it (mostly) does today. Your post would have convinced me (if I didn&#039;t already believe it) that agencies who focus only on communications have a dim future. But I believe (not just because I need to :) that an advertising agency needn&#039;t make that mistake—that there&#039;s nothing stopping them from taking advantage of the very same opportunities you reference. If there is a thing that could stop it, it&#039;s obviously financial feasibility. It&#039;s easy to infer that ad agencies have no choice but to focus on communications in order to pay their huge bills. If so, what I&#039;m describing is impossible. I don&#039;t believe it is. In fact I think the word &#039;advertising&#039; will have a significantly different definition in 10 years—one in which communications is only a part.

If I&#039;m wrong, I&#039;ll know soon enough, when my agency&#039;s gone. :) Time will tell I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post Adrian.</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more with your point that marketers have (or at least should have) a minor role at best in their client&#8217;s use of social media. It&#8217;s gotta be real. And there&#8217;s definitely not a business model in merely giving clients tips or showing them how they should use it. This will only become more true as corporations start &#8216;getting it&#8217; on a wider scale. I agree with you that that&#8217;s inevitable.</p>
<p>I was at the AAAA summit too and it was in fact my question to Barry Judge that illustrated the irony in the content of his presentation given to whom he was giving it. I asked what role , if any, he saw for his ad agency in helping Best Buy sculpt and execute their various social media experiments. I think he misunderstood me to be asking if he&#8217;s interested in the &#8216;puppet-master&#8217; scenario as you put it. Obviously he&#8217;s not, I already knew that, and good for him. But even though he misunderstood me, it was very clear that he feels his brand is perfectly capable of doing everything it wants to do using social media without any agency&#8217;s help. I bet he&#8217;s right. And I bet more companies will be in that position soon.</p>
<p>I also agree with your point that in spite of this, there are great opportunities, and that restricting focus to communications will hamstring an agency. It prevents them from taking advantage of emerging opportunities.</p>
<p>But can&#8217;t quite come with you on the jump from this to your condemnation of the future of advertising agencies.  It&#8217;s because I don&#8217;t agree that &#8216;advertising industry&#8217; = &#8216;communications industry.&#8217; At least it doesn&#8217;t have to, even if it (mostly) does today. Your post would have convinced me (if I didn&#8217;t already believe it) that agencies who focus only on communications have a dim future. But I believe (not just because I need to :) that an advertising agency needn&#8217;t make that mistake—that there&#8217;s nothing stopping them from taking advantage of the very same opportunities you reference. If there is a thing that could stop it, it&#8217;s obviously financial feasibility. It&#8217;s easy to infer that ad agencies have no choice but to focus on communications in order to pay their huge bills. If so, what I&#8217;m describing is impossible. I don&#8217;t believe it is. In fact I think the word &#8216;advertising&#8217; will have a significantly different definition in 10 years—one in which communications is only a part.</p>
<p>If I&#8217;m wrong, I&#8217;ll know soon enough, when my agency&#8217;s gone. :) Time will tell I guess.</p>
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